Wikipedia talk:File Upload Wizard

Huge issue, need to fix this upload form!

I did NOT click any Upload button!! I did not mean to upload the image Barbara-Lazaroff_by-John-Hanwell_600 × 901.jpg! I clicked the option to have it go to Wikipedia ONLY and was looking for how to NOT HAVE IT GO TO ANY WIKI COMMONS LICENSE, and suddenly is said uploading. I cannot find an image removal option and want to edit this licence. (Sorry but I am not a fan of fully open licenses - for the protection of any person in a photo.) This uploader has now caused unknown problems going into an undetermined future. PhotoBrit (talk) 17:15, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

@PhotoBrit: you can edit the licence at by editing the file at commons:File:Portrait of Restaurateur and Philanthropist Barbara Lazaroff.jpg but please note you cannot change the licence to a restrictive one as that is not acceptable on Commons. Neither can you upload it onto Wikipedia restricting use to Wikipedia only for the same reason - Wikipedia and sister projects prefer open licences. Anything with a restricted licence is very likely to be deleted on the grounds that a open licenced image could be obtained. If you want to ask for the file to be deleted instead please follow the procedure at commons:Commons:Deletion requests. Nthep (talk) 17:41, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Also, for any living person, we require the use of an image under a free license, per WP:NFCC#1 - if they are alive, that means a free image is possible. Even if you uploaded this under a non-free license we would delete it here. --Masem (t) 18:11, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

@Masem:Thank you Masem. I'd tried figuring out how to ask for deletion before posting here. It's all confusing. I do want the image used but not on Commons. Only on Wikipedia. Can you please advise what words to edit the licence? I don't want to accidentally do something that causes me to be banned from posting it correctly. MUST I remove it from Commons to put it on Wikipedia only? Also, I miss posted the issue. I did click Upload but I did not click Upload on Commons so perhaps the Uploader feature needs to be checked.

PhotoBrit (talk) 18:29, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

That's the problem. Lazaroff is still alive, so we are required by our non-free content policy to use a free image of her. That's either going to be public domain or a Creative Commons license. If you want to retain a more restrictive copyright on that image, we can't use it. --Masem (t) 18:46, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

@Masem: I understand the free license, maybe. But to clarify, don't we get a choice between granting Free on English Wikipedia only and open for use on Creative Commons? PhotoBrit (talk) 20:33, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

No, I'm afraid that's not possible. In fact it's a contradiction in terms: if it's not free for use elsewhere, then it's not free. Freedom for use elsewhere is the whole point about what "free use" stands for. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:39, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

@Masem: On the Uploader page it says:

"Step 3: Provide source and copyright information" When you click "This is a free work" the conditional box opens and says, "Thank you for offering to upload a free work.

Wikipedia loves free files. However, we would love it even more if you uploaded them on our sister project, the Wikimedia Commons. Files uploaded on Commons can be used immediately here on Wikipedia as well as on all its sister projects. Uploading files on Commons works just the same as here. Your Wikipedia account will automatically work on Commons too.

Gtk-dialog-info.svg Please consider uploading your file on Commons.

However, if you prefer to do it here instead, you may go ahead with this form. You can also first use this form to collect the information about your file and then send it to Commons from here." I did that. Then I clicked on "This file is entirely my own work." I then entered more info. I think my problem came with the pop-up menu because it's too unclear. Below that you have 2 choices: 1) Yes, I want this file to be immediately available in all Wikimedia projects, in all languages. I will upload it on the Wikimedia Commons... 2) No, I want to upload this file here on this wiki only. This way it can be used only on the English Wikipedia... I clicked the 2nd choice -- but my license is coming up as the 1st -- and that's why I posted here. See... there appear to be 2 options. Those are what I was just asking about. SO: Issues with the upoader: a) Unclear. Too much learning in order to make an informed choice. Puts me and others off of wanting to provide images. b) Clicking upload should not immediately upload. There should be a review first as there is with Wikipedia uploading. OR an Edit option.

It's hard enough to decide whether to provide the masses with fodder for messing with a photo of a public figure. But on top of that, even within 30 seconds there is no way to review the license that appears and undo it. I get that after the image is used it's too late, but 30 or 60 seconds delay is viable and fair. This current system is creepy.

Also, I know I wrote more info into the fields that didn't make it to the license page. You've told me I can edit that but without being a coding wizard and mind-reader, I (and others) lack the knowlege/tools to do so. Very frustrating. PhotoBrit (talk) 21:43, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

US Public Domain cutoff date

The upload wizard currently includes an option that says "It was created and first published before 1923 and is therefore in the Public Domain in the USA." However, Template:PD-US-expired says "This work is in the public domain in the United States because it was published (or registered with the U.S. Copyright Office) before January 1, 1925." Should the upload wizard be updated to say "before 1925" rather than "before 1923"? Or if not, why are the years not the same? Dmoore5556 (talk) 03:53, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for flagging this. This has become out of date recently. 1923 was a fixed cut-off point until 2018, but since then it's started shifting year by year, so currently 1925 seems to be correct. I found this here: [1], for background. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:09, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for following up on this; I see that the upload wizard date has been updated. Dmoore5556 (talk) 04:47, 17 February 2020 (UTC)