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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion in Template:In the news (ITN), a protected Main Page template, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

Reported cases of COVID-19 by country as of 18 March 2020, with number indicated by intensity of color
Reported cases of COVID-19 by country as of 18 March 2020

How to nominate an item[edit]

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated) in UTC.
    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process. Remember, we use UTC dates.
  • Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so.
    • Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense.
    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
  • Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN.

Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.

Headers[edit]

  • Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active.
  • Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header.

Voicing an opinion on an item[edit]

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.
  • Some jargon: RD refers to "recent deaths", a subsection of the news box which lists only the names of the recent notable deceased. Blurb refers to the full sentences that occupy most of the news box. Most eligible deaths will be listed in the recent deaths section of the ITN template. However, some deaths may be given a full listing if there is sufficient consensus to do so.
  • The blurb of a promoted ITN item may be modified to complement the existing items on the main page.

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  1. add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
  2. oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive.
  3. accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
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  5. oppose a WP:ITN/R item here because you disagree with current WP:ITN/R criteria (these can be discussed at the relevant Talk Page)
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March 18[edit]

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Turing Award[edit]

Proposed image
Articles: Edwin Catmull (talk, history) and Pat Hanrahan (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Edwin Catmull (pictured) and Pat Hanrahan are awarded the Turing Award for their pioneering work on computer-generated imagery.
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

Article updated

One or both nominated events are listed at WP:ITN/R, meaning that the recurrence of the event should in itself merit a post on WP:ITN, subject to the quality of the article and any update(s) to it.

Nominator's comments: I will be updating about the Turing in both articles immediately after this. Catmull's needs a bit more sourcing. Masem (t) 13:38, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Smallest known dinosaur discovered[edit]

Article: Oculudentavis (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Scientists discover the amber-preserved skull of the smallest known dinosaur Oculudentavis, comparable in size to the bee hummingbird.
Alternative blurb: ​Paleontologists discover Oculudentavis, the smallest dinosaur known thus far.
Alternative blurb II: ​Paleontologists discover Oculudentavis, the smallest dinosaur of the Mesozoic.
Alternative blurb III: ​Scientists discover Oculudentavis, the smallest known dinosaur of the Mesozoic era.
News source(s): NBC News, Nature paper
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Both something that would get into ITN on some days, but also a need to fill blurbs due to the news otherwise being dominated by covid-19 stuff. (eg avoiding just news for news sake to be added). Article is in good shape. Masem (t) 04:33, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Support Satis, and while not a reason for posting in of itself it's nice to have something not coronavirus-related. 05:06, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Bee hummingbird is not quite up to the frontpage standard in my opinion, can that phrase be dropped from the blurb? - Indefensible (talk) 05:08, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
    • None bolded links are not required to be up to main page standards. --Masem (t) 05:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Added an altblurb to this effect; even if it is not required, paleontology is a good article and dinosaur is a featured article, so this would be preferable I think. - Indefensible (talk) 05:14, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Keeping Bee hummingbird, linked, seems very important and encyclopedic because it is the smallest known living dinosaur. This also calls the "headline" into question, as the bee hummingbird, being a dinosaur, is equally the smallest known dinosaur. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:25, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment The suggested blurbs are dubious. Birds are dinosaurs and, moreover, this one was an avialan dinosaur. That said, the bee hummingbird is taxonomically the smallest dinosaur and it's unclear if this was definitely smaller. Additionally, the paper published in Nature points out that it represents the smallest dinosaur of the Mesozoic era, while NBC News have apparently generalised the context of the discovery in their news.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:48, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
    Re birds are dinosaurs, taxonomically that might be the case but in common parlance "dinosaur" is usually a paraphyletic group that excludes Aves, much like the Fish and Monkey categories tend to exclude humans from their definitions. If you can find a way to phrase this to make it unambiguous, please go ahead, but I don't think it should stop the nom.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:23, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
    @Amakuru: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and it should always deal with complete scientific accuracy as such, so arguments revolving around "common parlance" are not welcome here (Monkeys and humans have very recent common ancestor but belong to distinct subfamilies of the primates order. Humans are apes and have never been excluded from that subfamily.). The common notion of dinosaurs as extinct species of gigantic lizards as presented in many illustrated books and animated films has proven to be false and Wikipedia is the right place to break this misconception. I've suggested another blurb that clarifies it was the smallest dinosaur species of the Mesozoic era as indicated in the paper.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:07, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
    I'm well aware of the scientific situation, but your point "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia" is exactly why we don't publish things in the same way as a scientific paper would. Using commonly recognised names rather than overly technical ones is enshrined in our policy. And let's be honest, even scientists don't regard humans as fish, and wouldn't find it useful to do so. Referring to the "mesozoic" is unnecessary detail, and dilutes the significance of this find. Using the standard term "non-avian dinosaurs" or similar might work though. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 10:20, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
    Birds, being dinosaurs, include the smallest known, the bee hummingbird. Saying that this new dinosaur skull is the smallest known should include clarification that the bee hummingbird is equally small. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:30, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - not corona related, thanks. I personally think this article is ITN ready. BabbaQ (talk) 09:15, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support, I think alt 1 is the best of the blurbs but I'm not opposed to any of them. Thryduulf (talk) 10:22, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Obvious support -- Very happy to see this. I was ready to nominate this myself when news first broke but gave up halfway through filling the form, because [excuses]. I have added a slightly adjusted version of Alt II as Alt III (Too many wikilinks and missing "known", IMO). I would also prefer "Mesozoic dinosaur" to "dinosaur of the Mesozoic era" if it's okay to have two consecutive wikilinks. Finally, I do agree we need to be precise with the blurb even at the risk of losing other desirable attributes. Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:26, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Stale I recall reading about this several days ago and indeed both sources given are dated the 11th. At the very least this should be re-filed under the correct date where it is about to fall off the tracker. 3142 (talk) 11:14, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
It is newer than any of the other blurbs currently in the board. We need something to fill space. --Masem (t) 13:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Add to the blurb "...bee hummingbird, the smallest known living dinosaur." for accuracy and informational data. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:32, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) 2020 stock market crash[edit]

Duplication of the March 16 ITNC as well as in the banner coverage. --Masem (t) 02:36, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: 2020 stock market crash (talk, history)
Blurb: ​At least one benchmark stock market index in each of the G7 and in 14 of the G20 have fallen into bear markets as part a global stock market crash that began on 20 February 2020.
News source(s): Asia-Pacific3-16-2020 Europe3-16-2020 U.S.
Credits:
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Significant ongoing global stock market crash related to COVID-19 pandemic. CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 02:20, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Previously I would have supported this, but now it is indirectly covered by the "Impact" link in the coronavirus box I think. There are also 2 Closed nominations visible below related to this same article. - Indefensible (talk) 02:32, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) Euro Cup and Copa America has been postponed[edit]

No consensus to post, everything is getting postponed. --Tone 12:30, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: UEFA Euro 2020 (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The UEFA Euro 2020 and the 2020 Copa America football tournaments have been postponed until summer of 2021 amid COVID-19 fears.
News source(s): Euro 2020 postponed for a year by Uefa because of coronavirus crisis
Nominator's comments: It's official: The Euro 2020 and the Copa America have officially been postponed until summer of 2021. 2607:FB90:5E9E:19AE:7DFF:684C:DC10:E7FC (talk) 03:11, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose The NBA postponement failed and this appears roughly equivalent. In any event we have the coronavirus banner and this doesn't appear to warrant its own blurb. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 03:54, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose The only sporting event at this point that would be news if postponed would be the Olympics as the top event across multiple sports and countries representing the scale of the issue. --Masem (t) 04:06, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose + a couple of comments Too narrow a perspective, in commenting on just one sport. But at least, unlike the NBA, this is international competition. And to the OP, "summer" is a bad descriptor of a calendar time. Several of the Copa America teams come from places in the southern hemisphere, where summer runs from December to March. I doubt that's what you meant. HiLo48 (talk) 04:10, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose probably more newsworthy to find an international tournament that hasn't been affected by Covid-19. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:02, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

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March 17[edit]

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(Posted) RD: Thai Thanh[edit]

Article: Thai Thanh (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Tuoi Tre
Credits:

Nominator's comments: 20th century Vietnamese singer. One of the foremost singers of the 'New Music' period (WWII onwards). I am expanding it further Bumbubookworm (talk) 03:17, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

RD: Eduard Limonov[edit]

Article: Eduard Limonov (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Reuters,New York Times, RFE/RL, RT
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Prominent Russian writer and controversary politician. VanHelsing.16 (talk) 20:40, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Oppose needs plenty more referencing. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:03, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
    • I've added a number of references and removed some unsourced statements. The article still leaves much to be desired, but I believe it is satisfactory VanHelsing.16 (talk) 12:23, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Peter Whittingham[edit]

There is currently no confirmation of death in an unambiguously reliable source. This can be re-opened or renominated if/when that changes. Thryduulf (talk) 10:30, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: Peter Whittingham (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): EuroWeekly News
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Professional athlete from the UK. Article has a few cn tags which should be easily resolved, but otherwise looks well-referenced. - Indefensible (talk) 19:59, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Wait. There is no confirmation of this on BBC Sport's Cardiff City page, on Cardiff City's website or social media, or any local press. Just a minor English-diaspora newspaper in Spain citing tweets. This is completely unacceptable, and if I had a confirmed account I'd revert the news of his "death". 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:A121:F6B1:502B:6CB1 (talk) 20:14, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
Until there's any news here, don't believe it [1] 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:A121:F6B1:502B:6CB1 (talk) 20:16, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
This seems like the right direction, did not realize there was an issue with the source. Thank you for pointing out the issue. Recommend registering for a Wiki account regardless. - Indefensible (talk) 20:27, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Wait I haven't reverted this yet because I believe EWN to be a reasonably reliable source (and for other reasons). If true, then Support (I've fixed all the CN tags in the article). Black Kite (talk) 20:29, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Thanks for addressing the cn tags Black Kite. The article should be good to go quality-wise if there is confirmation I think, although hopefully the subject will be able to say that the news is greatly exaggerated. - Indefensible (talk) 20:33, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Hm. The Wales Online story has disappeared. I am guessing that this is sadly true but is waiting for family to be informed before being released, but for the time being I have reverted (and semi-protected) the article. Black Kite (talk) 20:35, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

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March 16[edit]

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RD: Stuart Whitman[edit]

Article: Stuart Whitman (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter, Mirror, NY Daily News
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Oscar nominated actor. The article is big, but needs work. SirEdimon (talk) 18:21, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Pilar Luna[edit]

Article: Pilar Luna (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Milenio (Spanish), El Universal (Spanish)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Underwater archaeology pioneer from Mexico, 2011 J. C. Harrington Award winner. - Indefensible (talk) 17:06, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Black Monday stock market crash[edit]

Consensus is not in favour of posting this or similar single-day stock market stories at the present time. Thryduulf (talk) 18:47, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: 2020 stock market crash#16 March (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Stock markets see their worst day since 1987, with the Dow dropping by 12.9% and the S&P/ASX 200 dropping by 9.7%.
News source(s): BBC (for Dow) CNBC (for S&P)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: I know it's coronavirus news, even stock-market–related corona news, but this is a big deal. Today was worse then Black Thursday 1929; the only day worse than today was in 1987. Drops this this may however be a recurring event this year so this might be better suited to ongoing. S&P is the largest drop ever; unsure how to specify "worst since 1987 in the US and worst ever elsewhere" in the blurb.  Nixinova   T   C   03:22, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Nominating single days has become nonsensical. This can only be covered in summary form when things settle down. HiLo48 (talk) 03:25, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now it is certainly a big deal, but hard to cover in the midst. For what it's worth this was about as bad as 1929 in terms of percentage - the raw numbers are just way worse because the marker started higher this time. -- a lad insane (channel two) 03:29, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose As I pointed out below, someone needs to make a summary page "Impacts of the coronavirus pandemic" that hits the impacts on financial, economic and other sectors beyond the medical and governmental responses, linking in this stock market crash alongside pages like Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on cinema and Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on aviation, which we can then add to the new banner as "Impact", which would cover all future such news. --Masem (t) 04:02, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Per earlier comment(s), the blurb should be generalized I think to state something about being in a bear market or the bull market ending, that way it does not need to keep being bumped each time. Or maybe put it in Ongoing as Master of Time suggested. The stock market is a sufficiently different field that it can be posted on its own in my opinion. - Indefensible (talk) 04:36, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • As I mentioned earlier today (or I guess what would be yesterday for some people) at the end of the previous section dedicated to the stock market (which Indefensible appropriately referenced), this should be added to ongoing if nothing else, since it acknowledges this very current event while bypassing issues of "how does this compare to 1929," "why should we single out a specific day," etc. I would have nominated it myself, but I'm not sure if nominating for "ongoing" is a thing. Master of Time (talk) 04:45, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
    • For future reference, it is a thing. See: Template:ITN candidate. For ongoing, there is an "ongoing" flag that just has to be set to "add" instead of putting a blurb. - Indefensible (talk) 04:56, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per all. It was good that we posted earlier days, but I fear with some reason that the stock market might fall even further the longer this goes on, and we have the banner for a reason. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 05:21, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Unfortunately, I think we can now take it that each new market opening will be a bit disastrous... Black Mondays for this week, and that week, and all the weeks! When and if that does happen, there's already 'impact' in the coronavirus banner, which could be switched out for 'death of trade market'. Kingsif (talk) 12:06, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Financial markets are inherently variable, especially these days. Ergo, single-day market news goes stale FAST. (We might consider an end-of-the-week story on Fri./Sat., though.)
    Suggest snow – to avoid another pointless 3,000-word discussion. – Sca (talk) 13:19, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

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Sagamihara stabbings sentence[edit]

Article: Sagamihara stabbings (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Satoshi Uematsu, the perpetrator of the 2016 Sagamihara stabbings, where he murdered 19 disabled people, is sentenced to death in Yokohama.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Big conviction in the legal proceedings, all in the event article. Nominating partially as a request for some non-coronavirus news. Kingsif (talk) 22:59, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

  • There is only a single line currently in the article about this event. Given that the blurb and its referenced content are roughly the same amount of information, not sure this is appropriate to post to the frontpage of a major encyclopedia. - Indefensible (talk) 23:57, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: We posted the initial event on ITN. Not sure that a later sentencing is as notable at this point. SpencerT•C 00:29, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per the two comments above, I don't think the sentencing is notable in itself. —Nizolan (talk · c.) 01:17, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose I'm likewise in the mood for some non-coronavirus news, but that's for the Slovenian government blurb below. I doubt the actual execution would be worthy of a blurb, much less this sentence. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 05:19, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Per previous comments. – Sca (talk) 17:40, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Canada closes border[edit]

This will not gain consensus to post now that the coronavirus banner is up.-- P-K3 (talk) 13:12, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
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Nominator's comments: So many things are happening that it's hard to pick one, but this is major event with a nice related list. Assuming that the EU passes similar restrictions tomorrow as expected, I would suggest that it be added then. Featous (talk) 19:39, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose it's just one of a plethora of border closures, and is in no way special. Let's get the Covid-19 banner up and running to cover this.... The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:41, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
    Good news, the Covid-19 banner is up! This nom should now be closed. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:52, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - as above. Several countries have done it or are in the process of doing it, so not great to focus on just one. - SchroCat (talk) 19:50, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose good faith nom. This is just the latest in a long list of events, any of which in normal times would be a "shoo-in" for ITN. Alas these are not normal times and things that would once have been considered unthinkable are now happening near daily. I believe we will shortly be adding a banner to the ITN section for the latest updates on the COVID-19 pandemic. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:13, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose - But can still be addressed as the current blurb could be updated (if kept) to note multiple lockdowns led by Italy. - Indefensible (talk) 20:31, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose the EU also announced border closures today - that's a lot more borders with a lot less physical borders than Canada has, which would be more notable if not for the fact every country seems to be isolating. That would be the blurb, though the banner seems to make it a little redundant. Kingsif (talk) 22:35, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose border closures are happening everywhere. Malaysia, EU, Australia also are having their borders closed. robertsky (talk) 01:33, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

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March 15[edit]

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(Posted) RD: Roy Hudd[edit]

Article: Roy Hudd (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: British comedian The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:21, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Support - SchroCat (talk) 13:52, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:08, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - Fully sourced. ready.BabbaQ (talk) 14:22, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support nice short article with plenty of references Joseywales1961 (talk) 14:34, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Good to go.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:38, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 16:10, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
    Beat me to it! Though I was going to ask if "GRO: June 1936 2a 883 Croydon – Roy Hudd, mmn = Barham" is a valid citation? Kees08 (Talk) 16:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

RD: Vittorio Gregotti[edit]

Article: Vittorio Gregotti (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Guardian/AFP
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Italian architect who designed the Barcelona 1992 Olympics stadium renovation; died of coronavirus. Article could be expanded greatly with a translation of the Italian Wikipedia entry. SounderBruce 04:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Record low US box office[edit]

Good faith nomination, but consensus (WP:SNOW) is against posting. While major for the industry, it is a small part of the overall global economic slowdown caused by the pandemic. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 06:23, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
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Article: Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on cinema (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The United States weekend box office suffers a 22-year low in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic.
Credits:
Nominator's comments: I know it is US-based (not sure if we can get global stats) and has no scratch on the loss of life, but this is a giant hit for an entire industry - a hit that is ongoing, but this weekend loss is an individual ITN-worthy event in that Kingsif (talk) 18:57, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose Its the global box office that is down, and there are much much much much much more serious concerns related to COVID that would be in ITN before stuff like this. --Masem (t) 19:00, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose Too small a story in the scheme of things this year. I doubt this would even get to be put in the proposed coronavirus-specific section.  Nixinova   T   C   19:09, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Reopening While I don't dispute it's not fantastic, I seriously question Tone closing this after 20 minutes. Even more views on why it shouldn't be posted would be at least useful in working out where the ITN-worthy lines for A. coronavirus blurbs and B. movie industry news are. Kingsif (talk) 00:05, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support it is a pretty big deal, the US movie industry has effects that extend into pretty much every country in the world. Plus, at this point it'll bump off the Pritzker Prize, and simce that's been up for 12 days, some random guy in Ohio eating a cheeseburger today would be a bigger story. 1779Days (talk) 00:15, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Snow Oppose Tone was correct in his speedy close. With everything going on in the world, and I'm talking just in the last 24 hrs, this is almost trivial. There is not the slightest chance this will be posted, nor should it be. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:18, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
P.S. On reflection my above oppose sounds a tad sharp. While I remain strongly opposed to posting, I don't want to give the impression that I am suggesting the nomination was anything other than one made in good faith. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:29, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
I understood you, but thanks for clarifying. My reason for reopening, as said, wasn't necessarily to get it posted, but to hear some discussion, though that seems to have been fruitless, there's just a lot of 'no'. Kingsif (talk) 04:04, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose this is just one of many ramifications of coronavirus. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:51, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong Oppose Nowhere near important enough based on all the other COVID stuff that is getting more priority Bumbubookworm (talk) 01:00, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Snow Oppose - No one cares about this right now.--WaltCip (talk) 02:20, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose per all. This is a fairly trivial part of the coronavirus pandemic's fallout. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 04:00, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
    • As for the intention of this nomination, I'm of the opinion that only events that warrant blurbs without coronavirus (stock market crashes and changes of heads of government, for example) and the pandemic itself would warrant a blurb with it. Given that the NBA season story was voted down, I would say that that might be a permissive limit. I don't think that a 22-year low in the box office (which is quite frankly not that long a time), only in America (but even globally) would warrant a blurb if it just happened for no reason, and it's not blurb-worthy even with the coronavirus IMO. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 04:19, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

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RD: Chris Reed[edit]

Article: Chris Reed (figure skater) (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Japan Times, NBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Ten-time Japanese national champion, Olympian, Four Continents bronze medalist. JuneGloom07 Talk 17:26, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Not ready yet I think, many statements lack a supporting reference. - Indefensible (talk) 17:28, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Genesis P-Orridge[edit]

Article: Genesis P-Orridge (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Guardian, Pitchfork
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Artist known for COUM Transmissions, Psychic TV, Throbbing Gristle. A few CN tags, but otherwise well-referenced. Spengouli (talk) 23:44, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment I don't think I'm qualified knowledgeably enough to claim that an article passes all qualifications for featured articles, but I do want to add that Genesis was crucial to the advent of Industrial music. In fact the genre was named for the label s/he helped create, Industrial Records with her band Throbbing Gristle. JanderVK (talk) 01:50, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Article is in good shape, pioneer in industrial music, etc. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 09:35, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment It is a long article but going through it now to verify it is ready to post (in case any other admin was working on this). Kees08 (Talk) 15:30, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
    There are a couple of citations needed, I could let it go for an article of this length but at least the marriage needs verified. That and the discography need verified prior to posting. Kees08 (Talk) 17:39, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
    Just the discog needs cited now, courtesy ping to Spengouli Kees08 (Talk) 18:06, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Pitchfork? – Sca (talk) 22:13, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose mostly fine, but the discog and the reference seem at odds with one another at the moment. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:19, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - A couple cn tags, but overall meets the minimum requirements I think. If the discography section is an issue, propose just removing the problematic items. - Indefensible (talk) 19:09, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted - I've removed the discography, because most of it isn't actually a solo discography anyway. Black Kite (talk) 19:20, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

RD: Gustavo Bebianno[edit]

Article: Gustavo Bebianno (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): O Globo UOL Notícias
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Ex-Secretary-General of the Presidency. Important person for the Bolsonaro government and one of the first Bolsonaro administration cabinet members. ArionEstar (talk) 14:55, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Giwi Margwelaschwili[edit]

Article: Giwi Margwelaschwili (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): DF
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: German-Georgian philosopher and novelist between East and West, "unique figure in German literature", as an obit says. I made the external links to refs, and added a few, while the text basically stayed. There's much more about his style in the refs, and about his life in the German WP, if someone wants to do more justice to him. Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

14th Government of Slovenia[edit]

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Article: 14th Government of Slovenia (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Following the resignation of Marjan Šarec, Janez Janša (pictured) becomes the Prime Minister of Slovenia to head the 14th Government.
Alternative blurb: ​Following the resignation of Marjan Šarec, the 14th Government of Slovenia led by Janez Janša (pictured) takes office.
Credits:

Nominator's comments: New head of government. I suppose Janša's article has too many problems with citations so I bolded the cabinet article instead. Tone 13:36, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment there are a lot of bare references (in the 14th Government article) that need attention - neither WP:Refill or WP:Reflinks could fix (for me) I would support when that is addressed Joseywales1961 (talk) 14:30, 14 March 2020 (UTC) add Support as per User:Tone Joseywales1961 (talk) 14:37, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Prime Minister of Slovenia in particular cannot be posted I think, it has almost no referencing currently. - Indefensible (talk) 17:36, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
    • This is why I chose the cabinet article as the target. As for the references, those seem to be pdfs of the minutes, so the Reflinks does not work, I've tried as well. --Tone 18:31, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
      • It would still be included in the blurb though, I think every article that shows up in the post has to meet the standards for posting, not just the emphasized one. Would try to reword the blurb to only rely on articles that meet that standard. - Indefensible (talk) 18:37, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
        • Suggested an altblurb to this effect. - Indefensible (talk) 18:39, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
          • Makes sense. I'll add Šarec to stress the point that this was not after an election. --Tone 18:42, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Looks decent, but Janez Janša's article needs to have its cn and update tags addressed before this can be posted I think. - Indefensible (talk) 16:18, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
This is not the general requirement. Only the bolded article has to be completely proper. This is why Janša is not bolded. --Tone 17:32, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
It is a little ambiguous, but in my opinion WP:In the news#Article quality applies to all articles linked, not just the emphasized one. At least, that is the standard that I would prefer. If the 2 orange banners can be addressed, then I would feel comfortable supporting posting the blurb personally. - Indefensible (talk) 06:11, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support in principle National heads of government changing are notable for ITN purposes. The blurb should note that the resignation was due to coronavirus (I was going to say "not that this matters, but it's nice to have something not related to the coronavirus up on ITN" before reading the article); I have added a blurb that mentions it. Ideally Janša should be bolded, although the government page will do in a pinch. Perhaps a photo of Janša should be used if one is found. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 03:59, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
The resignation was not due to coronavirus but due to disagreements in the coallition, it happened in late January where most cases were still in China. --Tone 08:13, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
I skimmed and misread; disregard that part. But the rest of my point stands. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 17:27, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now on quality grounds. The big sections of tables with the cabinet posts don't seem to be adequately references. Some sections don't have any sourcing, and the only sources that are there seem to be [2], which doesn't have detailed info on the names of the post-holders, and [3] which is a deadlink. That said, though, there is no requirement to get non-bolded articles up to any particular standard, so once these issues are resolved on the bolded article, I would support on notability.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:00, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Take this as a support once the orange tags are gone; I'm not putting 'oppose' because hopefully one or two sources will cover all those tables and be added quite soon by someone who knows about the elections. Kingsif (talk) 12:03, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) (Pulled again) Black Thursday[edit]

There was clear consensus against a newer single-day stock market story, so consensus to repost this older one will not arise. Thryduulf (talk) 18:51, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
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Articles: Black Thursday (2020) (talk, history) and Black Monday (2020) (talk, history)
Blurb: ​Global stock markets suffer their largest single-day decline since the Great Recession following a record decline on 9 March.
Alternative blurb: ​Global stock markets suffer their largest single-day decline since the 1987 stock market crash.
Alternative blurb II: ​Global stock markets suffer their largest single-day decline since the 1987 stock market crash, surpassing a record decline on 9 March.
Alternative blurb III: ​The 2020 stock market crash results in multiple stock markets around the world entering bear market status.
News source(s): CNBC, ANSA
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Day is not over and the article is under construction (not trying to violate WP:CRYSTAL, just garnering discussion), however the current blurb about Black Monday must be updated or it will stay up as an inaccurate news piece. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 17:01, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Wait until the day is over. NOT#NEWS, we shouldn't have an article even on this yet. --Masem (t) 17:03, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
    It has affected other countries such as the Philippines where a newspaper has called it "Black Thursday" already, so let us not be US-centric. I posted this for if stocks close at a lower decline than Monday. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 17:05, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
    One paper. I looked and saw maybe a couple others. This makes the name fall under WP:NEO. Maybe at the end of the day there's something, but as when the Monday's situation, markets are volitile. I suggested the week's overall effect was the news story, and I will still stand by that since that's clearly the trend. --Masem (t) 17:09, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment todays drop is due to the COVID-19 US travel ban, and COVID-19 is in the box plenty. Monday was the OPEC civil war. Merge all these articles into 2020 Global stock market crash or similar and propose it for ongoing. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:16, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support as a new, separate blurb. This is apparently what ITN is destined to be this month.--WaltCip (talk) 17:19, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment - Worth noting for notability purposes that the US stock market has become a bear market after an 11-year streak (the longest in history). Today's crash is expected to surpass that of October 2008 be the worst since 1987. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 19:24, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Economic experts have been warning for years that the bull market is not sustainable and would turn around at some point. So this is not at all a surprise or its a news element. It's also far far too close to the event to try to be judging how much of an important this week has on the long-term. --Masem (t) 19:37, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
      • Today is an important economic event regardless of what certain economists may have predicted. The article even states that the bear market had sustained 11-years despite challenges such as the American-Chinese trade war and Brexit. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 19:39, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment - NY Times says this is the worst day for the U.S. stock market since the 1987 crash. I suggest we continue to post a separate blurb, possibly noting that investors were reacting to President Trump's Europe travel ban, which in and of itself is a significant moment in the COVID-19 crisis.--WaltCip (talk)
    • If this is added as a blurb, it will replace the Black Monday or or bring the Black Monday one. There is zero need to have two blurbs on the same effect news, negative market trends. Remember, the key facet right now is that thousands of people have died from a rather contagious virus that probably could have been prevented but instead due to a number of mistakes across the globe at all levels. That people have lost money in the short term and there may be long term consequences is not unimportant but the priority is far outweighed by the cost of human life going on here. --Masem (t) 20:52, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
      • I agree they should be combined somehow. The cost of human life? Global stock markets are down 30%. Three years of gains are gone. People who depend on that for retirement savings are in a real crisis. This is just as impactful as 4700 deaths. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:30, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support The Dow dropped nearly 10%, the second-largest percentage drop since the Great Depression. Considering that the top three daily point drops in the Dow's history occurred in the past four days, I wonder if there's a clean way to combine Black Monday and Black Thursday into one blurb. But I'm fine with a separate blurb, too. Davey2116 (talk) 20:34, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
The DAX 30 fell 12% today as well. As large as the NYSE is, we shouldn't focus strictly on it given this is a global phenomenon. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:37, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Agreed. I suppose the Dow's point-change stats aren't too informative for historical comparisons, either; most of the top 20 point losses occurred in the past two years, and the top three point gains also occurred earlier this month. Davey2116 (talk) 20:47, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Yawn - It will go up again, and we won't post that. HiLo48 (talk) 21:27, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
    • The rightists have been saying that for three weeks. Sad! --LaserLegs (talk) 22:28, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support as combined blurb - we don't want two headlines saying practically the same thing, one of which is not even factually true anymore. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 22:29, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Wall Street Crash of 2020 would be a great candidate if the Monday and Thursday articles were merged into it. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:31, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support – A relevant / noteworthy topic that would be a useful modification to the current blurb. Master of Time (talk) 22:46, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support having already posted Black Monday, we should also post Black Thursday. Banedon (talk) 01:35, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support this is a no brainer tbh. A decrease this large... the largest in over 30 years needs to be posted. NoahTalk 01:44, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Can we just switch out the target article right now and worry about the blurb later? Abductive (reasoning) 01:55, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Hrodvarsson (talk) 02:25, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. If Black Monday was significant enough to warrant a spot, Black Thursday certainly is. I note that I oppose attributing causation to COVID-19 or the Schengen Area-US travel ban, as the market crash also has to do with the Russia–Saudi Arabia oil price war—leave causation to the article. userdude 03:08, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:21, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Post-posting comment. Someone has tagged this as lacking a worldwide view of the topic. Espresso Addict (talk) 04:35, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
    Some truth to it, but I don't think it's so unbalanced to warrant pulling the blurb. There was already mention of foreign markets, and I just added the UK's FTSE 100. I also reordered some of the text, making the US details a subsection of the crash, instead of having it appear like the main point.—Bagumba (talk) 06:50, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Pulled, for the time being. The article is orange tagged at the moment, so is ineligible for ITN on quality grounds. Please either resolve the issues or, if there's consensus that the tag is invalid, then remove it. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:02, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Can we at least put Black Monday (2020) back up if we're pulling Black Thursday?--WaltCip (talk) 12:13, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Not as it was, since it's no longer true. —Cryptic 12:16, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, now I go back to my original point about how it's impossible and silly to post news stories about stock market gyrations, for this very reason. But we live in novel times now.--WaltCip (talk) 12:19, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment - Neutrality issues resolved. Should be good to be reposted. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 12:39, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment The tagging makes no sense. All three articles discuss events and impacts on, at least, 3 different continents. Wth?130.233.2.197 (talk) 12:57, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Re-Posted Tagged issues appear to have been resolved. No tags currently on the article. Thanks to Amakuru for pulling the page when it was tagged. Good job everybody. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:00, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
    Nice one, thanks for the good work team.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:37, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
And guess what? — "Stocks surge day after biggest percentage decline since 1987." – Sca (talk) 14:27, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
I was going to post a similar article like that. The weekly downturn itself is news and a blurb based on that would have been reasonable, but reacting on the daily downturns is really not what we should be doing, COVID or not, since there's nearly always been a major rebound the next day. --14:31, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Damnit, Sca, you don't get how this works -- good news is no news.--WaltCip (talk) 14:36, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Agree with previous unsigned post (by Masem). A classic case of yesterday's news. – Sca (talk) 14:45, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
If you believe there's "nearly always been a major rebound the next day", make sure to buy as many stocks as you can at market close of a market rout. Banedon (talk) 20:07, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
That comment of yours, which I assume was sarcasm, sure takes on a whole new meaning as of this evening!--WaltCip (talk) 22:44, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
  • So, uh... This is happening. ... Stock markets post their biggest daily gain since 2008. Where would you even put this?--WaltCip (talk) 20:09, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Update the blurb and say global markets are highly volatile. Banedon (talk) 21:56, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
I am completely open to updating the blurb to reflect the volatility in the financial markets. Just give me a blurb backed by some kind of consensus. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:11, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Financial markets are inherently variable – on a daily basis. Ergo, market news is problematic for ITN. – Sca (talk) 00:33, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
Update: "Stocks post monster monster gains; Dow surges 9% adding nearly 2,000 points as Trump declares coronavirus emergency." – Sca (talk) 00:39, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
If you can work it into the blurb, go for it. The crashes happened. They happened and things recovered just like floods recover and tornadoes recover and all the other disaster porn we post recovers. I'm not buying this "Financial markets are inherently variable" argument either. We've seen record swings down and up in a broad range of markets across the globe. It's ok if you don't care, but you don't get to pretend it's normal. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:48, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Well, perhaps we could take a broader approach that would have a longer shelf life – something like, "World financial markets (do such-and-such) in their (worst?) week since (sometime past)." [4]
Again, stock blurbs based on daily results get stale FAST. And I'm still not convinced this topic needs a separate blurb. There are many websites that catalogue market fluctuations, and they're well-known to investors. The Big Story is the virus itself. – Sca (talk) 14:51, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Attention needed hi all, the target article has been merged, and the new article, 2020 stock market crash has orange tags on it again. The WORLDWIDE one, and a section that needs expansion. I won't pull immediately, but as before, can we resolve those issues or decide by consensus that they're invalid?  — Amakuru (talk) 15:38, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
    Amakuru, pull the trigger. We do not need a separate blurb on the coronavirus crisis. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 16:45, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
  • The better subject to post I think would be that the record 2009-20 bull market has ended, since that is a finished event which will be much more stable to record than the fluctuating state of the 2020 crash or every new Black Day of the Week. The current posting is much more news-oriented than encyclopedic in my opinion; for example, the oil price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia obviously seems to have a partial causal role, but how is this mechanism encyclopedically explained? Currently it is not, it is simply noted as fact ex facie. The record 2009-20 bull market is also much more significant and consequential than the 2020 crash, encompassing over a decade of time and generating far more wealth and product globally than what has been lost thus far, yet it does not even seem to have a Wiki article currently; this demonstrates the bias and mental blind spot in the nature of the human Wiki editors collectively (to psychologically overemphasize loss over gain) I think. - Indefensible (talk) 17:21, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment – Being a human being, I'm mainly interested in the spread of the virus and its effects on people, not in what the politicians have to say about it or how the markets react to it.
    Still the No. 1 story. Period. – Sca (talk) 17:38, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Of course the coronavirus pandemic is an important subject and should not be overridden in any way by the economic or financial coverage which is posted in parallel, however the negative impact to humans may very well be greater in scale from the stock market collapse than from the direct effects of the virus. Whether or not this is the case is the sort of detail that one might expect to see in an encyclopedia covering the events. - Indefensible (talk) 17:45, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
When you're dead the market is of negligible interest. – Sca (talk) 18:47, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
This encyclopedia is for the living however. - Indefensible (talk) 18:52, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Concern/curiosity Hello all! I had posted to the Errors page asking if "global"+"1987" in the blurb constituted an inaccuracy/OR, but did not receive a response. Does that mean I was wrong or does no one keep an active eye on that page? TIA Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:57, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Not sure where you are seeing that, do you mean the short description? That looks correct. - Indefensible (talk) 18:32, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
      Indefensible, hello! What I meant was (the pulled) blurb read (paraphrasing) "global stock markets broke 1987 records." The claim was in the lead of the article (now it's been changed, global -> US), and both there and here (see the OP above) gave CNBC as the supporting source. The CNBC article only says two US-based stock indices broke 1987 records. So, saying "global" stock markets did that could be original research even if true? Thank you! Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
      I see, good catch. Well, hopefully that can be addressed before anything is reposted again. - Indefensible (talk) 16:22, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Pulled again on quality, sorry guys but per above the newly merged article has orange tags again and it does not look like they're going to be fixed imminently. Once they are fixed or the issues resolved, please advise and ping me, and someone can repost (unless it turns out that consensus has changed regarding significance based on the above comments). Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 18:01, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
    • @Amakuru:, the merged article seems to have stabilised with wider coverage and no tags. Stephen 00:26, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
      • As a note, given (this being Sunday) that all the future markets are pinging as low as they can go, this might be another major change tomorrow this merged article would need to reflect. --Masem (t) 00:30, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
Yup. Markets are inherently variable, esp. these days. – Sca (talk) 14:39, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
If there were a broader article/blurb on this bear mark or the end of the bull market, it would not be an issue I think. - Indefensible (talk) 16:22, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
@Amakuru: the orange tag seems to have been addressed, can it be reposted again? Added a new altblurb. - Indefensible (talk) 22:02, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Since there are issues with outdated blurbs, would it be better to add 2020 stock market crash to Ongoing, even if only until another blurb is created? Master of Time (talk) 22:33, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Maybe this should be posted to Ongoing instead as you suggested. Does it need to be renominated at this point? - Indefensible (talk) 23:21, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
      • I've suggested that as part of the banner, if we can make a grouped "Impact" page that links the financial and economic impacts not only on the stock market but on specific industry sectors , that could be added. It would seem weird to have a market crash that is directly tied to the outbreak as a separate thing from the actual outbreak banner. --Masem (t) 00:36, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Not re-posted unless a new consensus emerges. Apologies to those who pinged me above, that I hadn't yet responded, I've been quite busy with other things. I think looking at this and the new "Black Monday" discussion above, I'm not sure there's consensus for a re-posting at this point. The events of yesterday would appear to supersede last week's Black Monday and Black Thursday anyway and there is strong opposition to adding anything specifically about yesterday's "Black Monday". If something changes, however, please do let me know or another admin can make changes if there's consensus. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 12:05, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose re-posting – Stale, outdated, old news. Suggest we finally close this moribund topic. – Sca (talk) 17:46, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Michel Roux[edit]

Article: Michel Roux (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): The Caterer Guardian
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Article in good shape, GA class. Noted chef and entrepreneur. Mjroots (talk) 13:07, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment: the article is a GA and the death is being reported in multiple RSes. However, his death is not mentioned in the article, only the date given in the first sentence. Needs a one or two sentence update in the body of the article, then I will support. Modest Genius talk 13:11, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment it's mostly fine, per Modest Genius, I made a few tweaks. At least one reference needed. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:40, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support I fixed the obvious cn tag. Black Kite (talk) 14:17, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - SchroCat (talk) 14:29, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 15:49, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) NBA suspends season[edit]

A consensus to post will not develop. --Tone 09:11, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
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Articles: 2019–20 NBA season (talk, history) and 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The NBA suspends its season after Utah Jazz player Rudy Gobert tested positive for the coronavirus.
Alternative blurb: ​Utah Jazz player Rudy Gobert tests positive for the coronavirus, prompting the NBA to suspend its season.
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Pretty big news from the sports world --Rockin 02:18, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - Unprecedented interruption to a recurring event. WaltCip (talk) 02:34, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • There are so many parallel stories with CV (Tom Hanks!) that we cannot post them all. If they were cancelling the season, maybe. In a few days, they will have restarted or everyone else will be stopping too. GreatCaesarsGhost 02:34, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • At this point, we might need a whole Coronavirus subsection to ITN, just to fit all these "unprecedented" events (only half sarcastic). PotentPotables (talk) 02:39, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • The US ban on all flights to Europe is also massive and unprecedented. We can't post everything, but to omit recent developments out of variety concerns is to give undue emphasis to the Italian quarantine, which will very likely be dwarfed by something else in the next week. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:45, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Legit point, and we should pull back Italy at that point if it indeed seems dwarfed. The NBA suspension is itself small potatoes compared to Italy. GreatCaesarsGhost 02:51, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Strongest possible oppose this is the type of "zeroth world problems" that we should be not even worried about amid everything else with COVID. There should be subpages off the coronavirus page for the various industries and the effects on them like sports and entertainment, but we are definitely not going to ITN those when death and strained health care resources is the first concern with COVID --Masem (t) 02:42, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I'd argue this is more significant than the Pritzker Archetecture Prize. --Rockin 02:47, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • The Pritzker prize has zero connection to COVID. This is 100% directly connected, and thus becomes a matter of what COVID story is priority given that we should really only be having one blurb or one ongoing. --Masem (t) 03:04, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose (edit conflict) There is going to be a tsunami of these stories coming. And per PotentPotables' comment above, we may need to consider how we are going to handle what is likely to be the biggest rolling event/news story in decades. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:44, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I personally wouldn't oppose a subsection on the main page somewhere between ITN and OTD (or even at the bottom of ITN itself). I don't think its right to just have the Virus/Pandemic in outgoing where the biggest updates aren't being shown outright, but also am weary of undue emphasis like King of Hearts mentioned if the updates are left solely in ITN. I'm unaware as to whether such a thing has been done before, so it might be a very experimental move. PotentPotables (talk) 02:54, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • ITN nor the front page is a news ticker. I've offered a suggest on the ITN talk page but this would require an intermediate page for the COVID pandemic topic to service as a landing/topic outline page in which then all recent major events (at the level of Portal:Current Event importance) could be included while this is still big news). But we can't flood ITN with all the stories. --Masem (t) 03:07, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • We need to consider adding a Coronavirus template to the main page. Half of the space allocated to Today's Featured Picture should be used instead for important info that would qualify for ITN on every other day but for the Coronavirus. This is an ongoing event of unprecedented scale and disruption. We need to take unprecedented measures to deal with it. Heck Trump just banned all travel and imports from Europe (except the UK) for the next 30 days. That's billions of dollars worth of goods disruption. The effect of the cancellation of the NBA season can also be measured at that level; the NBA finals is an ITN item and the cancellation is even more notable. Chess (talk) Ping when replying 03:21, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong support: This is the sort of content people are looking for when they come to Wikipedia's main page or open our app. Putting that a different way, this content is one of the primary reasons Wikipedia exists—major things are happening, and a lot of people want to learn more about why they're happening. We should be making these items as prominent as possible to help them learn more. There is no rule stating that we can only have one item per event, especially one of this size and magnitude; if there would ever be a time to deviate from our usual practices, it would be now. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:07, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
    • No it is not: Wikipedia is not a newspaper. We are covering the very highest levels of the pandemic and providing the link to the main page, but it is not our place at all to give this type of news updates to readers, particularly when this is a very very minor event relative to 1000s of deaths that have occurred. --Masem (t) 04:16, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
      • That is a disingenuous reply to what I wrote, Masem. I'm not saying we're a newspaper. I'm saying that people use us to learn the context and background behind major events that happen in the world, which include a world-leading sports league suspending its season. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:19, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
        • If they are coming here to learn about that, they can find that by searching on "NBA" and clicking a few links, we don't need to show that to them. It is not our place to make these stories convenient to find via a main page link, particularly when there are several other, significantly more serious stories related to the same topic, that we have featured already. --Masem (t)
  • Note: The NHL will announce something tomorrow. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:07, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Weak Oppose Why single the NBA out in particular? Serie A has been suspended for a few days now, and while the NBA makes a little more money than Serie A, they're still roughly comparable as leagues. The UEFA Champions League is being suspended as well. Personally the US travel ban on Europe is more newsworthy than the NBA shutting down for a month. NorthernFalcon (talk) 05:14, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support would be worth it to mention other sports leagues such as the Serie A and UEFA Champions League. As for the Pritzker prize, any of the major COVID-19 related stories are more important than the continued featuring of the Pritzker prize on the main page. Pritzker's been up for 7 days, it's time for it to go. 1779Days (talk) 06:16, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose Far too narrow a perspective. Things in their hundreds are being cancelled all over the world. Why single this out? We have a pandemic. Rather than news, it's nothing but an inevitable consequence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HiLo48 (talk • contribs) 06:30, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose as this is a worldwide project, and many sports competitions have been suspended or events postponed, so no sense to focus on the first US one to do it. For example, Serie A in Italy is suspended, MotoGP, Formula 1 and athletics events have been postponed/cancelled. If we list one of them, we would have to list all of them. Which isn't the point of ITN. And just posting this one would be a clear American bias. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:21, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose as noted many times above, why pick the NBA from the plethora of cancelled sporting events around the globe? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 07:51, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose As covered by Ongoing. We may need to revisit some other option for dealing with COVID19 stories: an intermediate page; a more general COVID19 article with linkouts by subject; etc.130.233.2.197 (talk) 08:32, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
    The general outbreak is no longer in "Ongoing".—Bagumba (talk) 08:47, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose times infinity MOstly local thing that hardly matters in the scheme of things. Maybe when the olympics get cancelled, if anyone cares by then. Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:09, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

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March 11[edit]

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RD: Whitney MacMillan[edit]

Article: Whitney MacMillan (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Star Tribune
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Heir and former leader of Cargill. Article looks concise but decently referenced. - Indefensible (talk) 02:15, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: War Emblem[edit]

Article: War Emblem (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Yahoo Sport Australia
Credits:

Nominator's comments: 2002 Kentucky Derby and Preakness Stakes winner. - Indefensible (talk) 02:03, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Support - Well referenced, although there isn't much about his death. Poydoo (talk) 20:12, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
    From Paulick Report, The cause of death is perceived to be a fatal paddock accident, but exact details are unknown. However, a full necropsy report is pending. So I think more information will come out later. Kees08 (Talk) 02:04, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted Kees08 (Talk) 02:04, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Oppose, requesting retraction. Consider me the first to complain. ITN/RD regularly rejects nominations on the deaths of elder-statesmen in even English-speaking Asian and African countries based on some vague notion that Western celebrity deaths have more relevance to our audience. Now an American horse? I'm afraid the systemic bias is strong here, and I urge ITN admins to reconsider their decision to list this animal death. Deryck C. 23:04, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Deaths are only rejected if the article's quality cannot be brought to standards within a reasonable time. With few exception, as long as the death is reported, and the being already notable, we will post the death once quality of the article is shown to be there. --Masem (t) 23:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
      @Masem: Thank you. User:Thryduulf told me about the 2016 change which set out the current rules. I had become frustrated at RD a few years (read: about a decade) back after having a number of nominations of Asian politicians and celebrities rejected for "lack of relevance", and was unaware of the 2016 rule change until today. Deryck C. 23:22, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Do you have recent examples of bias? As Masem wrote, articles are usually rejected on quality from what I have seen; and this nomination was made only on the basis of meeting the posting criteria. - Indefensible (talk) 23:18, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
    Deryck Chan, quality, quality, quality. If those articles you mentioned had good enough quality, they'd be posted too. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:22, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
    @Muboshgu and Indefensible: See my comment above - it was the 2016 rule change that I was unaware of. My most vivid frustration with ITN was with Hong Kong elder-statesman Szeto Wah's death in 2011, rejected back in the day because under the old rules, the ITN community deemed him not relevant enough for the English Wikipedia front page. If he died between 2016 and now I'm sure he would've featured on the front page under the new rules. Deryck C. 23:28, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
    Deryck Chan, ah, I see. Yes I think the rule change has been beneficial. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:45, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Burkhard Hirsch[edit]

Article: Burkhard Hirsch (talk, history)
Recent deaths nomination
News source(s): Tagesschau
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: German FDP member of parliament, minister in NRW state, lawyer for protection of privacy. I added references and some more details. Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment is he an honorary member of the university, an honorary citizen of the city, or both? I assume Google Translate is just being dumb, but if you could verify that and add the citation we can post it after. Kees08 (Talk) 17:02, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
    Thank you for the ref, Kees08, which led to the next. He was Honorary citizen of the Hochschule (not quite a university, - applied science), a rare thing I never heard of, sorry. Always learning. - Anybody to write a better lead than I could? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:00, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted - I think the lead scales with the length of the prose fine, but further improvements can be made while on the main page. Kees08 (Talk) 19:20, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) COVID-19 global pandemic[edit]

Proposed image
Articles: COVID-19 (talk, history) and 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak (talk, history)
Blurb: ​The World Health Organization has declared Coronavirus disease 2019 to be a global pandemic.
Alternative blurb: ​The World Health Organization has declared the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak to be a global pandemic.
News source(s): CNBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Well, gee whiz, this seems self-explanatory. WaltCip (talk) 16:39, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Support , presuming this overrides both the ongoing and the Italy blurb. I've said this was a milestone to be posted, and there it is. --Masem (t) 16:43, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
I assumed this would be a third blurb, actually. This story is necessarily separate from the other ones we have up on the template.--WaltCip (talk) 17:01, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
It wouldn't make sense having the same story as a blurb and ongoing, but the two blurb option is one I would support as technically different news. PotentPotables (talk) 17:04, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
This and the Italy could always be combined with a simple "while". They are the same story for all purposes. --Masem (t) 17:12, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Although related, I still contend they are two separate stories. Global pandemics are not necessarily unprecedented. Italy going into total quarantine is, at least in the western world.--WaltCip (talk) 17:22, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support - fairly straightforward, it's everywhere. Pie3141527182 (talk) 16:48, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong support per the WHO. NoahTalk 16:54, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Strong support. Obviously. MSN12102001 (talk) 17:06, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. This one's a no-brainer. --bender235 (talk) 17:06, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment. Instead of a microscopic image, perhaps a map of the outbreak's spread would be fitting for the topic? 88.200.214.103 (talk) 17:10, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
I second that. --bender235 (talk) 17:12, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Also, we should link to the outbreak page, not the disease page (alt blurb added). --bender235 (talk) 17:15, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
It would be a bit hard to do that because of the short descriptions for ITN. It needs to be short and simple. The map currently requires a key to understand. That would be difficult to include for ITN. NoahTalk 17:17, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Posted. I have combined it with the Italy hook, as suggested by Masem. Also removed from Ongoing, but I assume it can go back there uncontroversially once it rolls off again.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:22, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: it would have been nice if we'd had even an hour to assess the update to the article. There isn't one. All that's changed is switching 'outbreak' to 'pandemic' throughout and one sentence of the lead; the section on the WHO response still says they are refusing to declare a pandemic. This should have had a prose update before posting. Modest Genius talk 18:01, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Agreed, and the one sentence update doesn't have a ref. We're not a news service, there is no reason to rush things to the MP. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:34, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment – Oddly, given my recent history of pushing to get C-19 blurbed in some form, I'm nonplussed by this long-expected announcement. After all the froth, it seems anticlimactic. Everyone knew it was coming. I think the WHO didn't want to elicit panic and put it off for a while. In itself, I don't see how it changes things. But ... still dithering. – Sca (talk) 20:40, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Post-posting comment – Given the overkill-coverage, combing pandemic & Italy seems a reasonable compromise, I guess. – Sca (talk) 22:49, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Post-posting comment. I like the combined blurb. I've tidied the update to pandemic. I assume that the main article has now been fixed, but I'll check (if I can get an edit in there edgewise). Espresso Addict (talk) 01:09, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Not sure "while" quite works in the current blurb, since the WHO announcement came after Italy imposed the national lockdown. – Sca (talk) 13:58, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Post-posting comment. My apologies if this is not the place to address the image in ITN, but Talk:Main_Page certainly didn't seem like the right place. With regard to the image, as mentioned by User:88.200.214.103, User:bender235, and User:Hurricane Noah, I would like to place my strongest possible support in favor of replacing the current ITN image of Alyssa Healy with a COVID-19 related informational video such as File:COVID-19- What Older Adults Need to Know.webm. As much as we'd like to believe everyone reads every word of our articles, some readers will certainly benefit from an authoritative video. Our first priority should be ensuring readers can quickly and easily access accurate and vital information. userdude 03:26, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
    • I can tell you that the last time we had an animated image/video on the main page of that type (that is in terms of length, not content), that was an issue for some readers. An animation or video a few seconds long is what we'd want, not a lengthy video. Separately, it is also not WP's place to try to offer medical advice even that posted by the CDC per our Disclaimers (we do not offer professional advice). It should obviously be linked from the COVID pages, but we should not be foisting that at the main page. --Masem (t) 03:43, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Post-posting comment, after Spain declares the Alarm Status, should "and Spanish government implements a national quarantine" be added? Since yesterday the measures are very much like Italy. Alsoriano97 (talk) 10:06, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Post-posting update proposal, as this is starting to occur worldwide, should it instead say: "while governments across the world implement quarantines and close their borders."? -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 05:30, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
    • Agree, as Italy is no longer the only country on lockdown the blurb should be generalized to something like "while multiple countries lockdown, following Italy's lead." - Indefensible (talk) 19:10, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

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